[Pets] war?
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pets@gate.polarhome.com
Wed, 15 May 2002 15:01:15 -0700 (PDT)
Agapiti Marina kai ypoloipa meli,
katarxin den thelo na pistepso pos afta exoun
pragmatika graftei alla pos mas kaneis mia
kathisterimeni protapriliatiki farsa.
An ola afta einai alitheia, tha sas parakalousa na min
mpeite stin diadikasia na apantisete stin "kyria"
auti. Exontas zisei polla xronia stin Aglia kai
exontas spoudasei stis ekei ktiniatrikes sas leo pos
den axizei.
Apla gia na yparxoun oi sostes diastaseis as
simeiosoume ta exis:
1. I Megali Vretania einai poly mprosta se afto pou
legetai animal welfare (fact).
2. Ta vretanika panepistimia exoun para poly entono
elegxo gia tin xrisi ton peiramatozoon, o,ti zoa kai
na einai afta (fact)
3. An omos o vretanikos laos einai toso pia
exeugenismenos kai proodeumenos, oxi san tous
antistoixous apanthropous Ellines, tote giati exoun
tin RSPCA kai thn SSPCA (Royal Society for the
Protection of Animals) me olokliri stratia
"epitheoriton" pou mporoun kai exoun astynomikes
dynameis (allo fact)?
Kai pali min dinete simasia. Den axizei ton kopo.
enimeroste tin eugenika gia to poso lathos einai...
Filika, ktiniatrika kai anthropina
E.
--- pets-admin@gate.polarhome.com wrote:
> Είμαι πολύ στεναχωρημένη. Μου ήρθε ένα φαξ τεσσάρων
> σελίδων, που είχε
> μέσα κάποια e-mails εγγλέζων και όχι μόνο, που
> συζητούν για τα σκυλιά
> που φεύγουν από Ελλάδα και πηγαίνουν στο εξωτερικό,
> δήθεν σε
> οικογένειες. Αντί αυτού (έγραφε μέσα στο φαξ.) πως
> στέλνονται σαν
> πειραματόζωα κλπ κλπ κλπ.
>
> Βλέποντας εγώ κάποια e-mails, έστειλα δύο ερωτήσεις.
> Η μία στην κυρία
> Vesna Jones, η οποία είναι από το Greek Animal
> Rescue και άλλη μία στην
> κυρία Erinyes, η οποία ακόμα δεν έχω καταλάβει τι
> είναι. Στα γράμματά
> μου, ρωτούσα πολύ ευγενικά, τι έχει συμβεί, ζητούσα
> τις απόψεις τους και
> αν όλα όσα διάβασα στο φαξ μου ήταν αλήθεια, γιατί
> θέλω να ασχοληθώ με
> το θέμα.
>
> Οι απαντήσεις που πήρα ήταν άκρως απογοητευτικές,
> όχι τόσο από την πρώτη
> κυρία αλλά από την δεύτερη. Σας το κάνω forward, για
> να δείτε μέχρι που
> έχει φτάσει το θράσσος τους, που νομίζουν ότι
> είμαστε σε άγρια κατάσταση
> εδώ στην Ελλάδα. Αν κάποιος θέλει τα e-mails τους,
> θα σας τα δώσω
> ελεύθερα για να δουν αν και πόσο ενδιαφερόμαστε!!!
>
> Ακολουθεί το μήνυμα, ερώτηση δική μου προς την
> Erinyes (σε κόκκινο
> χρώμα), η απάντησή της (σε πράσινο χρώμα) και αμέσως
> μετά η απάντησή μου
> (σε κόκκινο χρώμα):
>
> Dear Erinyes,
>
> Yesterday I received an anonymous fax, with some
> forwarded e-mails and
> subject GREEK and other DOGS FOR VIVISECTION?
>
> I would like to know as much as I can about this, I
> would also like to
> have this e-mail from Deirdre Balaam and the answer
> of Vesna Jones in
> electronic format, so as to find out if I can help
> in any way through
> my website <http://www.pets.gr> www.pets.gr If you
> can't send it to me,
> let me know if I can type it myself from the fax
> (which I don't prefer
> of course) and use it on my website.
>
> Please inform me and feel free to forward me these
> messages.
>
> My regards,
> Marina Lymperopoulou
>
>
> Dear Marina
>
> Thank you so much for your email, and your interest
> in dogs in Greece
> being sent for vivisection. DOGS ARE NOT - NOT -
> NOT - NOT - BEING SENT
> FROM GREECE TO VIVISECTION LABORATORIES.
>
> This slanderous gossip originated from some very
> wicked, stupid, and
> sick psychopathic idiot who send a libellous email
> for distribution.
> The person who sent this email needs psychiatric
> attention as soon as
> possible. Or else this person is pure evil.
>
> I find it strange that so much interest in what
> happens to stray dogs in
> Greece has been created by this one email, and yet
> if people in Greece
> really cared what happened in the first place they
> wouldn't have a few,
> a very few, really caring compassionate people
> having to find the time
> and money to send mistreated Greek dogs abroad to
> the really loving and
> caring homes these dogs really go to, even when the
> animals are unwanted
> in Greece because, for example, they may only have
> three legs because
> one has been cut off by a trap. Why don't you just
> put on your website
> the awful behaviour of the Greek administration and
> Greek people towards
> animals, ask them to stop abusing their animals and
> poisoning them and
> strangling them and running them over, and ask THEM
> for good homes for
> their own animals, eh?
>
> Why are you interested in criticising good and
> caring people who want to
> help Greek animals, instead of offering to help
> them? This is very
> strange. If you want to know as much as you can
> about this, write to
> Vesna Jones yourself.
>
> Deirdre Balaam and Vesna Jones and a lot more
> people, all together, will
> see that anyone who puts this story on their website
> will have their
> website taken off the internet by their Server.
>
> Erinyes
>
> Erinyes,
>
> Well, I have written to you and I have written to
> Vesna also. I will not
> put anything on our website, but since our users ask
> for some answers I
> just wanted to get them informed on what exactly is
> being said and what
> are the answers. All I want is to put the evil ones
> and your (and
> Vesna's) answers as well. But I won't do it since
> you sound aggressive
> and I have no time to spend on stupid fights.
>
> About the dogs, we all know there's a big problem,
> BUT many of us try
> very hard to make a better world for them since some
> bastards steal the
> money the government gives for them.
>
> Why are you interested in criticising good and
> caring people who want
> to help Greek animals, instead of offering to help
> them? This is very
> strange. If you want to know as much as you can
> about this, write to
> Vesna Jones yourself.
>
> I haven't criticised anyone and I'm sure I was very
> polite, all I asked
> was for information on this matter. I think you
> should be more polite
> about it, especially towards a person who you don't
> know and you don't
> also know what job I'm doing through my website,
> having absolutely
> nothing to wait for in return and spending my own
> money to save these
> animals.
>
> About our users, you should know that they are very
> sensitive about
> stray animals and they all care, give tones of food
> and money to help
> shelters and humans who help stray animals.
>
> Deirdre Balaam and Vesna Jones and a lot more
> people, all together, will
> see that anyone who puts this story on their website
> will have their
> website taken off the internet by their Server.
>
> You should finally know that if someone decides to
> put something on
> their website, noone can take it off their server
> since it's legal and
> shows all the facts, and the opinions of both sides.
> But I won't put it
> on, since I find that you are so aggressive and have
> no respect on me.
>
> Marina Lymperopoulou
>
>
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